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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 16, 2010 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

This one doesn't garner much attention, perhaps because the entire show does not circulate as a soundboard, but it contains a couple of real stellar moments.

The performance of Playin' in the Band is one of the best of 1972. It's ultra jazzy and features several segments of thrilling interplay between the ensemble.

The highlight of course, is a superb Dark Star. It's mood changing several times over its 27 minute duration, it's an intense performance, brooding at times, but packed with jazzy excursions typical of late '72.

I would have to rank this one up among my favorite performances of Dark Star. I'm not sure why this one doesnt get the accolades it deserves. Does anyone know if this entire performance is in the vault?

9/16/72 - Boston Music Hall

Bertha, Me & My Uncle, Deal, Black Throated Wind, You Win Again, Big River, Bird Song, Mexicali Blues, Stella Blue, Jack Straw, Big Railroad Blues, Playin' In The Band

Morning Dew, Greatest Story Ever Told, He's Gone, El Paso, Don't Ease Me In, Dark Star-> Brokedown Palace, Promised Land, Ramble On Rose, Not Fade Away-> Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad-> Not Fade Away, E: One More Saturday Night

although its complete, I dont have patience for the aud or matrix files of this one...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-09-16.psbd.unknown.6683.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 16, 2010 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

I think this Star does get quite a bit of attention, and lots of accolades actually. I see people mention this Star way more than, oh, 7/18/72 for instance. The reviews here are full of raves! Rings&Bells calls it "utterly sublime" and one of the all-time greats.
Other examples:
"This Dark Star remains my favorite. Why? It is positively bursting at the seams with ideas and is one of the best examples of ensemble Type II jamming that the band has ever done."
"darkstar was one of the best i have ever heard."
"THE DARK STAR DWARFS ANY PIECE OF MUSIC YOU WILL EVER HEAR. THEY HAVE NEVER PLAYED ANYTHING LIKE THIS. THIS IS A VERY DEEP, DARK PIECE OF MUSIC. LISTEN TO IT, OVER AND OVER AGAIN."
And so on....

As you know, David Lemieux has played a big chunk of 9/16's first set (and also part of 9/15) on the Taper's Section, so I'm pretty sure the full SBDs are in the Vault.

Micah noted the lack of Phil, and I would point him straight to the Star on 9/24/72, one of the longest Dark Stars, which is ALL PHIL, ALL THE TIME. Phil takes the lead & blasts the place on 9/24...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 18, 2010 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

"I think this Star does get quite a bit of attention, and lots of accolades actually"

That's simply not true. It's definately not referenced or discussed nearly as much as the Dark Stars from 4/8, 4/14, 4/24, 5/11, 8/21, 8/24, 8/27, 9/21, 9/27 and 10/18, etc. And it certainly deserves to be considered among those performances. Perhaps not as fine as the very best of those, but a bonafide peer of the best of '72.

7/18/72 has been downloaded close to a combined 50,000 times. 9/16/72 less than half of that number.

And rhe reviews of a few nobody's (Rings&Bells not withstanding) doesnt change that!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 18, 2010 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Well, a lot of this is perception, it depends what you mean by a show getting a "lot" of attention!

If a show is mentioned even two or three times a year on this forum, for instance, that's a lot more than most shows. Even individual Europe '72 jams don't get mentioned all the time, outside of 'core' E72 boosters like we are. True, yes?

Let's take the 7/18/72 Star as an example...
Just in a brief search, the 9/16/72 Star was recommended on this forum on 2/15/09, 12/18/08, 1/11/08, 9/19/07, and 2/8/07 (excluding your posts).
The 7/18/72 Star was recommended on 7/25/09, 2/25/09, 2/28/07, and 12/7/06. (Those are undoubtedly incomplete lists, since I only found posts where people specifically mentioned the date.)

As for 'downloads' or views - 7/18/72 for instance, has been DL'd over 48,000 times, and 9/16/72 has been DL'd over 24,000 times - so about half, you're basically right on that point - but I bet a lot of folks have ignored 9/16 because they were scared off by the AUD portion... And I'd also bet that a lot of the people who did check out 7/18 weren't necessarily there for the Dark Star, or even heard it.

Anyway, I guess the point of these numbers is that it's kind of vague to say a show "is" or "isn't" mentioned a lot. Forum recommendations, raving show reviews, those are the kinds of things I can point at to say the 9/16 Star has gotten a lot of praise in these quarters....maybe not enough, or very little, in your eyes, but that's OK, just a different point of view.

You know all the time, people will bring up some famous show (like, oh, 10/25/69) and say "wow, I've never heard of this before!", when there might've been a whole thread on it a few months before... With all the thousands of shows here, any particular show or month doesn't get constantly mentioned every month. And god knows what all the Archive browsers and DL'ers think of shows, cause very few of them make it onto this Forum...
Anyway, this was a long post saying very little, apologies!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 18, 2010 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Yes, True! And no apologies necessary. I too, am astonished when one of the regular posters at this forum remark that they havn't heard one of the classics, such as 10/25/69. But then again, I still have not heard 10/10/82 ;)

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 16, 2010 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Thanks for drawing attention to this one, Cliff. I don't think I've listened to it before, and half way through Morning Dew I'm looking forward to rest of it. With two Dick's Picks from this week, and the Waterbury shows to follow this is is a rich vein indeed.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 16, 2010 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

I particularly agree with Cliff's describing it as jazzy. I listened to this show for the first time a few months back, and if I'm remembering the right show, I was struck by how the jazzy style of PitB carried over into other jams later on. 72-74 is when their jams most remind me of Bitches Brew (better, IMO), but this show more than some others in the same period.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Sep 16, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Cliff, more developed themes emerge from the more talked about Dark Stars. People tend to latch on to the Stars with the MLB or TU jams (or some variation, as in the jams mentioned in the "bluegrass" thread). Agree though, this 9/16 rendition is very good, precisely for the reasons you mention. And don't forget the Brokedown. The first time I heard this lovely pairing I was blown away. Could be my favorite Brokedown.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 16, 2010 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Well , even though I'm on a GD holiday , when one of the members of the forum says it's among the best D/S to his tastes , you listen to the D/S .
As mentioned it's 27 min. long . I came away from listening amazed by the performances of BK and KG . This fully explains to me BK's quote's about KG . It is remarkable to listen to them , as they listen and react to each other . JG floats above them , from beautifully content to in a red fury . BW has some nice fills with that trippy '72 sound to his guitar . Unfortunately , PL is not involved . Bad night ? Bad wire ? Who knows . His band mates more then pick up the slack . You hardly notice .
Some notes ,
For me this is a BK , JG Dark Star . BK is the man during the intro .
6:40- nice flourish , JG asserts , quickens tempo
10:00 - JG really pushing
10:48 first verse
16:00 through 21:20 - JG builds to Tiger
21:50 KG , BK push back against JG ,
22:50 excellent
23:00 bliss
24:50 very good . coherent , energetic , '72 GD
26:00 transition to BP
I know missed a lot . It's a complicated one .

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Poster: deadmax Date: Sep 16, 2010 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

I just finished listening to it. Here is my review:

The PITB ends the first set in a loud way. They take off after the vocals and go pretty darn fast. It almost sounds jazzy but it is more a fusion mixed with straight-ahead rock and roll with them just playing off of each other. This starts to swirl around 7:30 where they start to think about getting spacey but they are definitely still playing hard. Just big bendy twisty stuff here. The quiet it down for awhile around 10:00 but it never gets real quiet and soon they are off into space and general weirdness. This is a tough one to listen to because of the loud weirdness but it's good nevertheless, just rough and BIG. Lots of cacaphony before it gets soft and we start to hear the PLAYIN REPRISE that brings us back to the real world and all is good again. For some reason I don't think I'll listen to this again. MORNING DEW has Jerry really wailing on the vocals ready to play-this-song. Keith is doing a great job. They take it up, take it way down and do all the DEW stuff. No big finish though. DARK STAR starts dreamily enough with the crowd not believing they get a DS. Lots of stretchy stuff and some good drum rumblings - very introspective first part of the song. After about 7:30 we get them stretching out more and more with some crazy stuff. 10:40 we get the first verse. We get some really beautiful sounds after the verse that go on until about 15:30 when it gets really, really quiet and they have the audience at bay as they quietly creep upon some planet's surface looking for something. This is kind of creepy but in good way, not scary. This goes on for a little bit then Keith steps up with some crazy piano stuff and really starts driving the jam. It is getting very forceful and BIG and by the 20:00 mark we are full into a rocket-ship jam jettisoning us around the cosmos whipping us off of comets to land on a nebula. At 22:15 we get a sudden, abrupt change into a quick jazzy thing that grooves along being born from the chaos, glad to be alive and loving life. Happy stuff. Keith is really a big part of driving this train and they are all into it making some really cool music. With a minute and a half left they drop slowly down and down again like a leaf floating down until it lands on a still pond to become BROKEDOWN PALACE. Don't think I've heard this combo before. The people in the room must have felt blessed. This is always a good song when they play it. This one is not real soulful but it is quite beautiful. Jerry screams the words a couple of time, which oddly, fits here. I just can't even review the rest. This is a good show but a tough show for me to get into probably because I don't have the whole thing. I don't know.


Not very good really (my review) but there it is.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 16, 2010 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

It's a great review, really, though it might be easier to read with a paragraph break or two. As long as I am being the punctuation/format police around here today ...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 16, 2010 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Ahh , just today ? I don't think that was in the contract . You signed lady . We have lawyers on retainer .

Oh , BD !

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 16, 2010 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

LOL well it does seem like Rob has fallen down on the job lately!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 16, 2010 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Maybe he got sucked into the Bad Gateway.

Perhaps I'll have to pick up the slack, since I've already picked on LWer for his spelling and Micah for his creative punctuation ... speaking of which, maybe THAT'S how the Bad Gateway got in! It snuck in through the space between Micah's words and his periods ... and now it's eating England ...

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Poster: deadmax Date: Sep 17, 2010 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Well, now that I know I can try to do better. Maybe with everyone's help I can do this. Here is my attempt at paragraphs:

The PITB ends the first set in a loud way. They take off after the vocals and go pretty darn fast. It almost sounds jazzy but it is more a fusion mixed

with straight-ahead rock and roll with them just playing off of each other. This starts to swirl around 7:30 where they start to think about getting spacey

but they are definitely still playing hard. Just big bendy twisty stuff here. The quiet it down for awhile around 10:00 but it never gets real quiet and soon they are off into space and general weirdness. This is

a tough one to listen to because of the loud weirdness but it's good nevertheless, just rough and BIG. Lots of cacaphony before it gets soft and we start to hear the PLAYIN REPRISE that brings us back to the real world and all is good again. For some reason

I don't think I'll listen to this again. MORNING DEW has Jerry really wailing on the vocals ready to play-this-song. Keith is doing a great job. They take it up, take it way down and do all the DEW stuff. No big finish though. DARK STAR starts dreamily enough with

the crowd not believing they get a DS. Lots of stretchy stuff and some good drum rumblings - very introspective first part of the song. After about 7:30 we get them stretching out more and more with some crazy stuff. 10:40 we get the first verse. We get some really beautiful sounds after the verse that go on until about 15:30 when it gets really, really quiet and they have the audience at bay as they quietly creep upon some planet's

surface looking for something. This is kind of creepy but in good way, not scary. This goes on for a little bit then Keith steps up with some crazy piano stuff and really starts driving the jam. It is getting very forceful and BIG and by the 20:00 mark we are full into a rocket-ship jam jettisoning us around the cosmos whipping us off of comets to land on a nebula. At 22:15 we get

a sudden, abrupt change into a quick jazzy thing that grooves along being born from the chaos, glad to be alive and loving life. Happy stuff. Keith is really a big part of driving this train and they are all into it making some really cool music. With a minute

and a half left they drop slowly down and down again like a leaf floating down until it lands on a still pond to become BROKEDOWN PALACE. Don't think I've heard this combo before. The people in the room must have felt blessed. This is always a good song when they play

it. This one is not real soulful but it is quite beautiful. Jerry screams the words a couple of time, which oddly, fits here. I just can't even review the rest. This is a good show but a tough show for me to get into probably because I don't have the whole thing. I don't know.


How'd I do? Looks pretty good to me!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 17, 2010 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Ha! I like it. Psychedelic punctuation.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 17, 2010 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

Ring , that is a CR term . Last warning .

That type of prattle of mine would drive rob to singe my blankets and put me in a small corner to regain my sense of balance , after the short , sharp , shock .

Along with your writing duties at the forum Ring , you have to keep the cheeky one's in line . As succinctly and viciously as possible . I mean why waste time ?

I miss that old gnarled Scot .

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 17, 2010 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - A Real Nice Dark Star

I'm not sure what a CR term is, but as for being succinct and vicious, I try.